theresa-may-to-request-further-8216short8217-brexit-extension

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(**)Little Fauntleroy(***)
(****)She’s completely lost her marbles. It might take the military to sort this out now.(*****)
(****)I strongly suggest telling her to p**s off until it’s all sorted out. Local elections should (would normally) help when the two main parties are *destroyed* by this but I doubt it will. Sorry Europe, don’t mind us – remainers amiright?(*****)

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(**)Stephen Barrett(***)
(****)This just isn’t going to cut it. The answer will be no. The U.K. has had plenty of time to break the logjam. It either knows what it wants or it doesn’t.(*****)

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(**)XK M(***)
(****)@Little Fauntleroy(*****)
(****)She’s completely lost her marbles.(*********)(**********)
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🙂 🙂 you assume she has some to start with!! Ms. May has been for the last few years at a job that is beyond her intellectual ability(*****)

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(**)Jo Docus(***)
(****)@Little Fauntleroy(*****)
(****)“She’s completely lost her marbles. It might take the military to sort this out now.”(*****)
(****)Ah, the fascists in our midst. Brexiteer too, are you?(*****)

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(**)Jo Docus(***)
(****)@XK M(*****)
(****)“you assume she has some to start with!! Ms. May has been for the last few years at a job that is beyond her intellectual ability”(*****)
(****)Well, accepting the poisoned chalice that other Tory politicians have shied away from by trying to sell Parliament a workable and realistic Brexit surely disqualifies her in the area of slyness and cunning. She also has a sense of duty that ill befits a politician. (*****)
(****)All in all: I can see why you dislike her.(*****)

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(**)Gerry Hofman(***)
(****)In the end, May will agree with what the EU demands of her. She does not have the strength to do anything else. There has been plenty of chance to leave with a no but she is not taking them. The only thing left is to let the drama build high enough so it will look like this was the only possible option. Good luck, guys.(*****)

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(**)XK M(***)
(****)@Jo Docus,(*********)(**********)
I don’t dislike, I have no feeling towards her, I simply observe that is shallow, that she only offers unworkable simplistic sound bites “brexit means brexit”, “no deal is better than a bad deal”, “strong and stable” she offers nothing of use.(*****)

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(**)Henk Crop(***)
(****)The UK is just sitting next to a (*****************) million customer market.(*********)(**********)
To stay in or out of the EU is just the choice of having any influence on the EU or none at all.(*********)(**********)
How difficult can such a choice be ?(*****)

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(**)Paul Cairns(***)
(****)To Henk Crop “… The UK is just sitting next to a (*****************) million customer market.(*********)(**********)
To stay in or out of the EU is just the choice of having any influence on the EU or none at all. How difficult can such a choice be ?”(*****)
(****)The problem is that Brexit is a hysterical hate confection – there is nothing rational here. Theresa May imagined that she could find a compromise route through impassable territory. She wanted to be seen to be ‘getting on with it’ – and gambled on lodging Article (**************************) early, before she or her party or anyone else (such as Labour) had any clue about ‘the journey’. The whole thing is a tour de force of incompetence which began with the decision to hold a referendum in the first place. This was endorsed by a big majority of MPs – who obviously don’t expect to have to think carefully (or maybe at all) when at work. If Brexit’s great ambition is for Britain to be a ‘true global player’ the nation is clearly heading for unavoidable disaster.(*****)

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(**)Peter 2(***)
(****)T May has been in a really difficult situation.(*********)(**********)
The decision to Go against her own party.(*********)(**********)
Requires some cojones, but necessary.(*********)(**********)
The question is, she has a week time to build a solution.(*********)(**********)
If she don’t have anything until the (*****************************************************).4.(*************)..(*********)(**********)
UK can start collecting fences for the Irish border..(*****)

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(**)Elena Adaal(***)
(****)Quite a strange and unexpected move, but certainly not unwelcome. Talking with Corbyn and trying to get a compromise over the line certainly beats crashing out. I hope she can hold her party together, since one part will be very angry with her. (*****)
(****)Of course a deal has be be found very fast, because there is no way that the UK can get out under the obligation to hold EP elections. To me that sounds not like a very big problem. The UK is a bit late with making up its mind so it has to hold elections; so what?(*****)

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(**)XK M(***)
(****)It’s not only fences it’s also turning the M(*********************************************) (or whatever its number is) into a large car park, just around East 🙂 school kinds will have fun collecting chocolate eggs around stranded trucks 🙂(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Finally! The long awaited move, at long last. And the appropriate response from Corbyn.(*****)
(****)I said weeks ago that “we all know how this will end: Soft Brexit via cross-party agreement.” And that is precisely where she will go.(*****)
(****)Country over party, at long last! Representing not (************************)% of a (**************) vote but the (********************)% in the middle who voted (****************************)%Remain and (************************)%Leave. Bravo -or as Boles put it: Better late than never.(*****)
(****)If they discuss this in good faith, an agreement can be worked out pretty quickly – WA plus a modified PD with a customs union and a second referendum which could be used to refine the CU/SM question.(*****)
(****)Steu and Jackie, any comments yet? Or still waiting for your Kremlin instructions?(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)And the EU will be more than happy with the extension: The entire purpose of the staggered dates was to make sure the UK decided actively whether or not to participate in European elections.(*****)
(****)If May and Corbyn present a plan that can be voted through by 4/(*****************************************************) then that is just as good as the original plan (May’s WA plus Strassbourg PD), as far as EU goes(*****)

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(**)Guy Croswell(***)
(****)The only sensible choice would be to agree to a status similar to that of Norway ie to be part of the EEA as long as the UK accept free movement of goods, capital services AND LABOUR which will not be the case. So, why yet another “short” extension????? What for?????(*****)

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(**)Lord Kaptain Krunch(***)
(****)PM T. May: (*****)
(****)“May we have a tiny winnie bit more time, please?”(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Guy,(*********)(**********)
Be a bit more imaginitive! The CU is the compromise.(*********)(**********)
Not the 4 freedoms -the UK controls immigration. Take back control, remember?- but a tariff alignment which works for NI = no backstop needed.(*****)
(****)What does it not do? The UK will not be free to negotiate their own trade deals. The UK will not have a seat at the table when the tariffs are discussed.(*****)
(****)All true. That is why it is a compromise…(*****)

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(**)Lord Kaptain Krunch(***)
(****)Of course the opposition party is pleased as punch to meet. Will he bring with him a tube of K-jell to the meeting?(*****)

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(**)Graham Hempell(***)
(****)@ Henk Crop(*********)(**********)
Yes it is a no brainer, but for (**********************************) years the people have been fed a load of lies and Europe has been the butt of much comedy.(*********)(**********)
Add to conditioning the democratic system of first past the post, which has created a simple binary mentality among much of the voting public, then everything is viewed as winning or losing a football match.(*********)(**********)
The Brexit referendum that, legally is only advisory, was given politically election type status. The referendum was a massive error as it was called for all the wrong reasons and enhancing its status was also a mistake. There are, of cause, many other mistakes, but we are now where we are, stuck in cleft where the slightest movement creates enough heat to be fanned and culminate into the Riot Act being invoked but worse when our politicians are also culpable.(*********)(**********)
In my view the issue needs to be cooled off. The politician have indulged their pet hobby horses and wasted time accordingly. Enough is enough, the whole issue has been based upon dreams of the past lies on both sides, unchallenged nonsense, non deliverable promises and cheating.(*********)(**********)
It is in the gift of the Government and or Parliament to start again, if so minded, by revoking article (**************************).(*********)(**********)
I doubt that they will because none appear to have the courage of true leadership.(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)her government would “abide by the decision of the House.”(*****)
(****)Nice one Theresa. As soon as the package is ratified, you have said you will step down and that is the end of “your” government. What real guarantees will the opposition get in return for their support?(*****)

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(**)Lord Kaptain Krunch(***)
(****)In short, it’s a lose/lose. There is no winning this one unless the people are given the opportunity to vote again. They didn’t have all the facts together the first time around.its only fair for a 2nd referendum.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Paul,(*********)(**********)
Likewise: Be a bit more creative, man.(*****)
(****)Real guarantees will be in the way the modified PD will be structured. There will be a legally binding section which commits the next PM to do just what Corbyn and May agreed on – no worries, your EU negotiators will make sure this is so.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Krunchie,(*********)(**********)
You are funny and at times cringeworthy – say that as a friend, fellow American and fellow Never-Trumper.(*****)
(****)The 2nd referendum is not a good idea, for us remainers and realists. First of all, the timing doesn’t work. When do you want to do this – in 5 days?(*********)(**********)
Secondly, May and others have a point when they argue that it would be divisive. Imagine MiniTrump -Bojo- and others who want to be PM next – why would they be honest now after their lie-filled campaign in (**************)? No it would be divisive, whichever way the vote would go. And we all know it would be close…(**********************): (*******************************) at most. For whatever side. Same crap(*********)(**********)
all over again.(*****)
(****)No – the right way gorward is to get a deal, let this whole thing cool – and get back to real politics. You know…jobs, health care, environment, security…the kind of stuff they used to discuss in the HoC(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)Tom WTF Cotton,(*********)(**********)
Soft Brexit via cross-party agreement. WA plus a modified PD with a customs union and a second referendum which could be used to refine the CU/SM question.(*****)
(****)I might be wrong, but to me that seems highly improbable. Mr Corbyn will wait until he knows what tomorrow will bring. With that knowledge he will go into the meeting with mrs May. They will discuss 1-2 hours and probably conclude that the gap between them is too big to bridge.(*****)
(****)You refer to the (********************)% in the middle. That is a logical thought and several months ago I thought the same. The reality is however that the big majority of Leavers and of Remainers are far apart. This is reflected in the HoC and even in May’s cabinet. We are not talking about a Bell curve here, but here there are two peaks in the distribution, which in lighting is referred to as a batwing distribution. The emotion of being a Leaver or Remainer is also much stronger than being a Conservative or a supporter of another party.(*********)(**********)
For very good analyses of public opinion on Brexit (***********)https://whatukthinks.org/eu/(************)(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)Graham Hempell(*****)
(****)Good comment, but austerity politics also played a very important part.(*****)

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(**)VG Fleet(***)
(****)So Mays plan to get the WA agreement done – and then General election. I don’t think she can bind an agreement for the next government.(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)Tom WTF Cotton,(*****)
(****)Our comments crossed. No, the WA will not be changed and the PD will not be legally binding, also not a part of it. This is an internal matter for the UK and rightly so.(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)VG Fleet,(*****)
(****)If she delivers a Brexit deal, chances for Conservatives in an election will be much better. As far as binding a next government or parliament, as far as I know she cannot, unless it is in the form of an international treaty that has been ratified.(*****)

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(**)Peter Monta(***)
(****)It is unfortunate yet inevitable that the EU was never ever going to give the British what they thought they were voting for on Brexit. They weren’t then and they sure aren’t now. But take heart Brexiters. You are going to leave. It is going to be on the EU’s terms either now or later. You will be allowed to stand outside in the rain on a short customs union leash. The rules of which will be decided by the EU. It will be cold and wet but you must be used to that by now.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)VG and Paul,(*****)
(****)Yes of course a modified PD can be made legally binding for a next PM or a next government! Why is this even a question?(*********)(**********)
The EU will insist that the very deal that rescues the UK from crashing out -whether that is 4/(***************************************************) or 5/(*******************************************)- will have legally enforceable language in it. Just as the backstop in the WA tied the hands of a future government – this is easy as long as both parties want it.(*****)
(****)The way out is the crazy Vienna whatever number article Brexiteers flirted with a short while ago – crazy as not possible under international law.(*****)

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(**)Paul NL(***)
(****)Great tweets by Mark Stone @Stone_SkyNews Here is the first of seven. Cannot copy the other 6 as its my bedtime.(*****)
(****)Sources in EU institutions v clear tonight that Brexit extension to May (*******************************************) (which was first offered at the last EU summit & is back in play if TM can convince EU that her new plan can deliver the deal) is ONLY an option if the UK commits to European Elections. /1(*****)

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(**)Peter Monta(***)
(****)Oh and can I just point out for Jacob Rhesus-Monkey, spokesperson for the APF Conservatives, that the last election the Conservatives did not win. Minority government remember? Since then you have been the dog that the DUP tail wags. It is no wonder the Conservatives are so dizzy. Oh and can I also mention that Churchill dude conservatives seem to love so much and his unity government in the Second World War. Jacob seems to have forgotten that one.(*****)

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(**)XK M(***)
(****)@Lord Kaptain Krunch(*****)
(****)Of course the opposition party is pleased as punch to meet. Will he bring with him a tube of K-jell to the meeting?(*********)(**********)
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I doubt it, as all available quantities in the UK are reserved for hard core brexitears to ease the acceptance of EU customs union and becoming a client state 🙂 they are “taking back control” of the tube 🙂(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Paul,(*****)
(****)And yet you know as well as I do that that is posturing, right? Tusk already hinted at that tonight.(*********)(**********)
It makes all the sense in the world to let the UK extend…if and only if the two leaders can come up with a compromise which gets a HoC majority. Same scenario as the original May deal – just a different deal.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Steu,(*********)(**********)
asleep?(*****)

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(**)XK M(***)
(****)@Tom WTF Cotton(*****)
(****)Steu,(*********)(**********)
asleep?(*********)(**********)
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No he is waiting for instructions from St. Petersburg central, but it seems the bunker has gone to sleep, the boss will not be happy tomorrow!!(*****)

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(**)Blue Bell(***)
(****)@Tom WTF Cotton(*********)(**********)
“And the EU will be more than happy with the extension: The entire purpose of the staggered dates was to make sure the UK decided actively whether or not to participate in European elections.(*****)
(****)If May and Corbyn present a plan that can be voted through by 4/(*****************************************************) then that is just as good as the original plan (May’s WA plus Strassbourg PD), as far as EU goes”(*****)
(****)Forgive me for laughing but I must ask WTF are you thinking? Let me paint a different scenario for your entertainment.(*****)
(****)First do you imagine Corbyn will agree with May without demanding it be put to the people for a second vote at the very least. Why do you think he has stalled this long? He does not want to be blamed for this deal by the electorate when they finally figure out what a con trick has been perpetrated on them as they will take their revenge at the ballot box. (*****)
(****)Let us consider the nature of T May this is the woman that appointed a cabinet whose only outstanding quality was their collective mediocrity. (*****)
(****)She let her Brexit ministers and DEXU devise their plan and work on it for months while she together with 2 or 3 others in secret devised a plan for a soft Brexit. The EU were more than willing to go along with this and together they played out this charade. All this whilst she presented a supposedly tough stance for her domestic audience. (*****)
(****)I long ago gave her the nickname of Calamity Jane but ask yourself if someone makes the number of mistakes she appears to have made in the rough and tumble world of politics and yet none have been able to topple her do you think it is just luck that someone apparently so hapless has survived? I would suggest this woman would put the Borgias to shame. lol (*****)
(****)Let me know what you think of this supposition.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Blue Bell,(*****)
(****)I have no idea what May was and is thinking. Nor do I care. We all agree that her leadership has been abtsmal.(*****)
(****)The reason why I think you are wrong is simple: Time is running out for real, at long last. The EU election forces everyone’s hand – thank God!(*****)
(****)So Corbyn must ask himself: Do I want to remain a purist and insist on a referendum -which failed in the HoC twice and will lead to NoDeal(*********)(**********)
in (*****************************************************) days- or do you move a major red line, just as May will be moving a major red line (CU)?(*****)
(****)We will see – but I am confident that both leaders see the light and choose reason over stubborn purity.(*****)
(****)Country over party: A challenge for them both.(*****)

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(**)Yellow Submarine(***)
(****)The telegraph has it right, May asked the cabinet on what to do, there was a majority for no deal, she then took her usual notice of majority’s, ignored cabinet, and rushed off to do a deal with Corbyn. (*****)
(****)May has just bombed her own party from orbit. Where the bits land now is anybody’s guess.(*****)

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(**)Blue Bell(***)
(****)@Tom WTF Cotton(*****)
(****)What Corbyn wants is an election. Labour currently has a 5 point lead in the polls.(*********)(**********)
What does he do? He has held out from taking any blame for this deal so far. Why would he help T May?(*****)
(****)On the Conservative side how many cabinet resignations will come tomorrow? (*****)
(****)If you have access to iPlayer take a look at this evenings Newsnight programme ((************************************************************) Apr (*************)) (*****)
(****)As someone who posts on here would say “You couldn’t make it up”(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Blue Bell,(*****)
(****)The reason why Corbyn might do a deal with May, you ask, despite a 5% lead in the poll? Simple: Because he realizes just as she does that this is a national crisis. The biggest crisis since WW2. They all get the internal memos (and can we agree to stop the bsh*t now about Project Fear and all)…and they all know that a No Deal crash is going to be very, very ugly.(*****)
(****)That is why. Country over party. I dislike Corbyn -a lot. He reminds me of the very worst in Bernie Sanders…the rigid, old man “Get off my lawn” stubborness. His outdated socialism. But…he is not an idiot, and he knows that this is the crisis of his political lifetime.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)See, Blue, the problem with your side is this: (*********)(**********)
There are some Kremlin trolls here who do what Bannon -my compatriot- does in Italy and elsewhere: They try to create chaos. They love chaos. For Putin it is a way to destabilize Europe. For Bannon it is his twisted way to fight “the deep state”.(*********)(**********)
Then there are true believers. Useful idiots is what I think Lenin called them: They believe in the soundbites …Take back control!!” and are naive enough not to realize that they are played.(*********)(**********)
Then there are the opportunists …always there! The Bojos and JRMs who see business opportunities and career opportunies, for their own narrow and cheap causes.(*****)
(****)And then there are principled conservatives who are still patriots first. May is a terrible leader…she played a bad hand exceedinly poorly…but she is, when push comes to shove, a patriot. That is why she did what she did today. If Corbyn can match that – we will get a deal.(*****)

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(**)Richard Rudkin(***)
(****)After 7 hours around the table she has worn them down and as we all know she is so good at that. She has slammed the folder closed and said: “Right we are all agreed, we will do something we ARE good at, we will drop this mess right on top of Labours head and let them carry the can for our mistakes.”.(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Last point on that, Blue – on May’s “betrayal”: May was a remainer in (**************) – true. But she respected the vote -in a pathetic way, IMHO. (************************)% was a clear mandate, in her view – and then she lost an election a year later. But in order to understand May and why we are where we are you simply have to understand (I have said that her a gazillion times): For May the party is everything. It is her baby, her identity, her raison d’etre. Which is why she tried for 2.5 years to find a solution that could keep the party together – her #1 goal. Her mistake? With ERG types you cannot reason. They do not compromise. They are more Bannon, more UKIP than patriots. True believers – always dangerous, on the left and the right.(*****)
(****)She tried to please them again and agsin and again – against her better judgement. Frustrating every expert and all EU technocrats in the process.(*****)
(****)Today is the day I thought would come 4 months ago – I was wrong on the timing, completely! She pulls the parachute. She is nothing but a party apparatchik – except for one thing: She is a patriot first.(*****)
(****)She knows her party will (might?) fracture. But the alternative is so much worse.(*****)

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(**)Richard Rudkin(***)
(****)@Blue Bell(*****)
(****)As someone who posts on here would say “You couldn’t make it up”(*****)
(****)That was Donal. I have not heard from him since the (***************************************)th did his contract run out?(*********)(**********)
and Patricia Wilson we have not heard from her for a while. I miss them both.(*****)
(****) Ricardo x(*****)

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(**)Tom WTF Cotton(***)
(****)Donald was reassigned. Kremlin is strict with that stuff.(*********)(**********)
Patricia – God knows. Good riddance.(*****)

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(****)Tom WTF Cotton: (*****)
(****)I do admit I am a light weight with this subject. I can comment in general terms such as the worthiness of a united European Union. NATO continues to be relevant in spite of a teacher who once told me in (****************) that it had outlived its usefulness. And I maintain that flexibility is so important in keeping all parties happy. I happen to believe in the regulation of migration. I’m not all that applied to the Trump crap except that he is a racist who cares not to find solutions. And the solutions lay in helping Central America with their societal and criminal problems instead of ending financial aid. He is only exacerbating the problems. I firmly believe that the European Union should remain in some guise. As for my humor side, I write humor so I am predisposed to injecting that in my comments. But I readily admit that I don’t understand in depth, the issues. And btw, I hope that a manuscript I have been writing about Trump for two years comes out while he is still in office. I pray to the gods.(*****)
(****)I think Blue Bell makes a lot of sense but I don’t always follow her because I really don’t have a full understanding of the issues.(*****)

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(****)And btw, seeing a photo of those nude protesters brought me back to the visit I once made to Parliament. I remember sitting up their in the galley in (***************). Flash back. They appear to be animal activists bravo for them. I to am one with them in trying to end poaching of elephants and rhinos and trophy hunting.(*****)

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(****)Lord Krunch,(*********)(**********)
Do not apologize! You are funny and witty- great American addition here! Never apologize. Look at Bojo: He is hilarious and doesn’t even intend to be funny -and he never apologizes.(*****)
(****)The Brits are asleep – peace at last!(*********)(**********)
Agree with you on immigration. Have you read Frum’s piece in this month’s Atlantic? Very interesting read.(*********)(**********)
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(****)You write humor? Cool.(*********)(**********)
Is Henry Jones one of your colleagues? He is hilarious.(*****)

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(****)Henry Jones is an inmate somewhere and is allowed use of a Commodore computer for one hour each day in the rec room.(*****)

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(****)Tom WTF: I used to comment on political issues in the local newspaper where I live. There were a few lefties against a hord of cranky old white men. We battled each other for years. I kept getting banned and even once appealed my banishment to the publisher. He eventually allowed me back but only to get banned again. The newspaper finally ended the comments because we all had gotten out of control. This is a bit of a continuation. It’s entertainment and sometimes I get an idea to explore.(*****)
(****)I lived in an apartment in Florence, Italy with four Brits.i was out numbered but after a compatriot moved in, the game of wits were evened: tow of us against four of them. No problema. My English friend Ken stayed and married a Florentina and he is now worried about the unknown place he will be in after Brexit.(*****)

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(****)Tom,(*****)
(****)The PD is an agreed statement between the EU and the leaving country and nothing more. It is not a treaty.(*****)

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(****)Unfortunately, Blue Bell thinks it is all a large conspiracy. Why does TM want the PD to be changed? Because otherwise she cannot put the deal to the HoC again. TM is fully aware that the PD is not legally binding, that negotiating the future relationship will take many years and that her successor can go hi or her own way. Only JC will not fall for it.(*****)

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(****)Discussing this with Labour and not being prepared to change red lines will change nothing. It will only represent have-cake-and-eat-it version 2.0. Even if red lines moved about (******************) Tories wouldn’t support May. This time-frame of (*******************************************) May is impossible to reach a consensus between 2 parties.(*****)
(****)An extension is not really needed. The UK needs to know what a no-deal feels like first to realise the consequences of the lies they have spread during the referendum. People actually still believe in those filthy lies that have been spread. That’s the problem with populism, it doesn’t present ANY solution to any problem. It only POINTS towards a problem and the scapegoat. Mix this with half-truths and you can have half of the population backing you. That’s why I think it’s important for an EU country to send out a strong message, when a no-deal happens, that lies and blaming have consequences for yourselves. Take Viktor Orbán for example, he’s so obsessed with power that he doesn’t mind to kill Juncker for it. The only thing he got was an suspension after a long period of time. It should have been given immediately and if you wait for such a long period then expelling would have been more appropriate otherwise he can get away with it easily. That is the main problem of democracy now, these populists don’t have to take any responsibility for the chaos they sow or planning to sow. A strong message is needed that you will need to take responsibility for your actions.(*****)
(****)Then you have the so-called amendment to stop the no-deal Brexit scenario which is completely pointless because no-deal is the default option. If there is no vote on the default option then no-deal is (*******************)% likely.(*****)
(****)For the populist fanclubs here, the next war will take more than (********************) million lives don’t think your own life won’t be added to the death toll. Even if you manage to survive you wish you’d be dead.(*****)

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